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Friday, January 8, 2016

Making a Murderer: a hers and his rant.



You guys.  This has gotten out of hand.  I can't open up any social media feed or even an internet browser without being bombarded with more thoughts, more articles, more about the Steven Avery case.  I understand how pop culture works, and usually I embrace it. I like to be in the know, and I like the reprieve that silly pop culture stories provide from the daily grind.  But I think we're treading in dangerous water here, folks.  This true crime genre is compelling, addicting, and guaranteed to incite a reaction. And in this day and age, when everyone has a platform, everyone has a place to express their opinions, (yes I see the irony) I fear we're forgetting that most of us are not in fact journalists, or attorneys, or judges, or even very smart, as a collective.


I loved the first season of Serial, NPR's take on the true crime podcast genre.  Loved it.  I got my husband and family addicted and we have enjoyed debating pieces of the trial the podcast brought to light.  It was fantastically compelling, and I consumed it as a piece of entertainment, never once thinking that based on listening to a 12 part podcast, I was suddenly an expert on the law, or qualified to speak on the Adnan Syed case with any degree of authority.  Because I'm not an attorney.  Or a journalist. Or any type of expert in any sort of legal field.

Fast forward a year and America has a new series to binge consume, and now, suddenly, the audience of this show has turned into experts on how the legal system failed an ex-con and his nephew.  Over 336,000 people have signed a petition to get him a Presidential pardon.

Except, did you guys know that, "The president can only pardon federal criminal convictions, and Avery was convicted of a crime against the state of Wisconsin, not against the United States. As a result, there’s not really much the White House can do in this situation — the Wisconsin governor, Scott Walker, is the only one in this case with the power to pardon Avery." (Department of Justice)

But by all means, hop on the bandwagon and sign away.  Seems like a productive use of your time.

I don't want to be snarky, but we must be careful of the conclusions we draw from sensationalized sources.  This series, much like Serial, does not include all of the facts, simply because it cannot.  The producers of the series say as much in an interview with Rolling Stone: 


Demos: We tried to include as much of the trial as we thought viewers would tolerate...As storytellers it's in our interest to show conflict.

Ricciardi: Wisconsin has an expansive public records law. Any materials generated by state or county officials are part of the public domain.

With these two quotes, Demos says she telling the story for max entertainment, and Riccaiardi has invited you to look up the pieces of the case they left out.  Why? They DIDN'T INCLUDE IT ALL BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN TOO LONG AND PROVED TO BE MUCH LESS SCINTILLATING ENTERTAINMENT FOR YOUR HOLIDAY BREAK.

Sorry.  Reigning in the snark.

I happen to be from the area where this crime was committed, and what I've learned is that the fallout from the viewers' snap judgment of this show is hurtful and harmful.  Unlike Serial, where the family of Hae Min Lee were characters that existed in the confines of my smart phone, the players in Making a Murderer are real. My husband is an attorney and he told me, after appearing in court last week, that certain judges and sheriffs are getting hate mail and threats for the way a case was handled TEN YEARS AGO.  That makes a lot of sense, America.  Well done.

I'm not saying this show isn't worthy of discussion.  It is. What I can appreciate about series like these is the fact that we have the freedom to explore and question our justice system.  We are talking about things we wouldn't otherwise talk about.  I'm glad to learn more about the judicial process and how it works, and how and when it clearly doesn't.  I'm glad these filmmakers and podcasters have a voice to tell their story.  All of these are good things.  What scares me is the impulsive rush by the consumers of this media to act, comment, and condemn without first thinking critically about the givens of a situation. The fact that you watched this show and reached a conclusion about the trial doesn't mean you are an expert on the legal process or a vigilante for justice.  It means you like TV.  18 months from now I can't imagine this series will be anything more than a flash in the pan, a distant memory, a "Huh I wonder what happened with that guy from that hick town...." but then we're going to turn on Netflix or Amazon and see a new series that will incite us about something newly unjust, and Steven Avery will fade into the fauna of American pop culture.  People, don't forget to think.  THINK CRITICALLY.  Know your facts before you waste your time signing a pardon that can't do jack sh*t assert expertise about something, anything really.  Understand your limitations.  It's okay to not know, and it's good to question. By all means, watch the show.  Talk about it with your friends and family.  And then remember that you are a teacher, or an actor, or a temp worker, and you're probably not qualified to make any sort of judgment call on this matter, and that, thankfully, justice is not served at your hands.

And now, my husband:

I'm a liberal.  And aside from "my side" being so very, very wrong in this matter, what bothers me about this the most is that there are real and obvious examples of problems within our criminal justice system but the only cases anyone cares about are the ones easily and readily consumed in entertaining, pre-packaged formats.  As Erin mentioned above, I enjoyed Serial. To me, it seemed fairly obvious from the materials presented that Mr. Syed killed that young woman but the State failed to prove its case.  After watching MaM, I realized that THIS GENRE IS ENTERTAINMENT.  I don’t know why I didn’t, consciously, understand that with Serial.  But I clearly did not.  Now I do. So I have no idea, really, what happened in the Syed case.  

MaM is utterly preposterous as something that is meant to “inform” anyone of anything other than the Avery defense's position and strategies.  We can all agree that this show could have been 6 episodes long (there's more fat to cut here than any Sopranos season).  Instead of all those useless shots of Mr. Avery's parents walking around, the filmmakers could (and had they cared about presenting both sides, SHOULD) have given us some salient facts that show Mr. Avery is guilty.  To wit:


  • Mr. Avery’s sweat DNA was on the RAV 4’s hood and the car key, so who cares about the blood, the Sheriff's Department could not have planted the sweat.  
  • Nothing is made of the fact that Ms. Halbach’s blood was on that bullet, and the Sheriff’s Department didn’t have her blood to plant (unless, of course, you are crazy and think law enforcement killed her to put Mr. Avery back in prison - if so, tell me MORE about how President Bush was behind 9/11).  I know the defense tried to obfuscate the results by saying the technician's DNA was on the bullet, but, c'mon.  The presence of the technician's DNA does not magically cancel out the presence of Halbach's DNA.  
  • There were three phone calls made by Mr. Avery to Ms. Halbach on October 31, 2005 (the day she went missing), and that on two of those occasions he blocked his number using *67.  
  • Ms. Halbach had asked her boss to never send her back to the Avery compound because Mr. Avery creeped her out.  
  • Mr. Dassey told the investigators about Mr. Avery disconnecting the car battery (corroborated by Mr. Avery’s sweat on the hood).  They did not feed Dassey that - he came up with that detail by himself.
  • Mr. Dassey's mother stated that her son helped Mr. Avery clean up his garage around October 31, 2005, and that Mr. Dassey's jeans were stained with bleach as a result.
  • We did not hear from any expert on car crushers to explain that Mr. Avery would have had to remove, at the very least, the engine from the RAV 4 before crushing it, and that he would have needed to forklift the vehicle into the crusher.  Things that would have gone noticed by his two brothers who ran the place and operated the crusher on the other side of the property.  
  • You don’t know about how Dassey was “roughed up” by the Marinette County Sheriff’s Department (in the words of the judge of his case, which he related to me a few weeks ago) and said nothing for hours, indicating he wasn’t as helpless and dumb as they make it seem in the show.  
  • When he called Auto Trader, Mr. Avery requested Ms. Halbach by name and that she had to come that day. Perhaps selling that minivan was an emergency?  
  • Is there mention of Avery’s drawings of a torture chamber he wanted to build in his house when he got out prison for the wrongful conviction?  
  • Mr. Avery was barred from seeing his fiancé for 72 hours (in 2004) after she reported domestic violence but later recanted her story to keep him from being formally charged with anything more than a disorderly conduct ordinance violation (he did not contest the DC).  
  • There were three (3!) alleged rapes (and one affidavit) in the 2 years Mr. Avery was free before he murdered Ms. Halbach.  
  • And, oh, did you noticed how the filmmakers distorted his past criminal transgressions?  Yeah, he didn’t just throw his cat over a fire.  He poured gasoline on it and tossed it into a bonfire.  And he didn’t just hold up his cousin at gunpoint after running her off the road.  No, that was precipitated by him running outside, morning after morning, dropping his pants and furiously masturbating on the highway when his cousin drove by.  When he refused to stop, she reported it to the Sheriff’s Department.  THEN he ran her off the road, put a shotgun in her face, and decided not to kill her when he saw a baby in the backseat.

I could keep going, but my wife would like to preserve some of her cred as a blogger who doesn't have mile-long posts.

Now, the filmmakers may have left some of that out because it wasn’t directly related to the case, but they sure did put a lot of stuff that was favorable to Mr. Avery that had nothing to do with the case.  (I laughed when I heard the line "I think I had a good life... til all the trouble started.")  This is, obviously, because the filmmakers want you to be on Mr. Avery's side.

I’m not a criminal attorney.  But if you told me that a woman was murdered and her remains were found in the backyard of a felon’s property who had requested that she come to his property on the day she went missing and said felon was the last known person to have seen her, well, I think I’d charge him with murder with that evidence only.  But if you also told me that a bullet was found with the victim’s blood DNA on it in the felon’s garage, AND that the bullet matched the ballistics on the felon’s illegal rifle that hung over his bed.  That’s about it for me.  Stop right there. You don't need anything else.  All the other stuff is white noise.  White.  Noise.  And yet, it’s all the other stuff that the filmmakers and Mr. Avery’s (dream) defense team focus on.  And the reason they do that is because when the prosecution has motive, opportunity, the murder weapon, and the body on the defendant’s land, you have nothing to go on except white noise.

Look, I live here.  I followed this. You couldn’t run into an attorney in this town without talking about it.  And everyone, and I mean everyone, knew this was a slam-dunk case.  But Mr. Avery had the benefit of not one, but TWO of the best defense attorneys in the state (from different law firms, no less – which is CRAZY).  And they were magnificent.  They were like Mozart or Chopin.  That was money well-spent.  Think about it - the only thing people who watched this thing are talking about is the white noise.  Those attorneys executed their strategy brilliantly.  

In fact, they almost let Mr. Avery get away with murder.  But they didn’t.  Thankfully.  Mr. Avery had more than a fair shake.  If you watched the show, there were complaints by Mr. Avery's attorneys that the jury pool had been tampered with by Mr. Kratz because of his "sensational" press conference.  But the evidence shows the jury was not tampered with.  Recall that when the jury left the courtroom and began deliberations, they took an initial vote, in order to see where everyone was.  Seven (7!) thought Mr. Avery was not guilty.  Two more were undecided.  And just three thought he was guilty.  If the jury had been tampered with, you would have expected to see far less jurors voting not guilty and undecided.  Instead, 75% of jurors did not think he was guilty at the outset.  And that indicates that the evidence won the day, not any tampering by Mr. Kratz during his press conferences.  Let me explain further:

The last 2 days of trial, jurors heard (closing) arguments.  On one side was the silver-tongued Cadillac Defense Team.  On the other was Mr.Kratz (I’ll put this delicately – he wasn’t the second coming of Clarence Darrow).  Most people would have left the Courtroom after those two days thinking Mr. Avery was not guilty or undecided because argument is different than evidence.  Take one guy listing a laundry list of evidence that shows guilt.  Then take two guys spinning a story of corruption and prejudice that is so compelling, the entire country has been captivated by their work.  That's how good these two guys were.  It's amazing what $240,000 buys you, isn't it?  Anyway, after that initial vote, it is the jury's job to then go back and consider the evidence.  The evidence.  They couldn't get away from the evidence.  After 3 days of reviewing the evidence: murder weapon, opportunity, motive, the body, etc., it was impossible not to convict Mr. Avery.  Impossible.  It is, truly, that obvious.  But, man, what a story those two attorneys crafted!  Bravo!


I’m not on Facebook.  The Facebook posts don’t bother me because, mostly, people are sheep with this stuff.  But, man, when I started hearing smart people like Chuck Klosterman talking about this (to be fair, he did recognize that there had to be more to the story than the filmmakers gave the viewer), it just made me mad and I had to write something.  
(Honey, thanks for letting me vent.) 


  

31 comments:

  1. Great? Hardly. I don't buy the lawyers reasons. DNA evidence can be planted as easily as blood. I'll attach an article. No DNA for m her on the key fob? Tells me it was a spare that maybe the ex-boyfriend had, especially with no house key on it. He has other facts wrong. Halbach's blood wasn't on the bullet. it was allegedly her DNA.Avery didn't request Halbach by name, he asked them to send the woman they sent last time. Big difference. It looks like the prosecution wrote this again. You live in the area and knew he was guilty. Go look up "Anchor Effect." That's what's at work here.

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    2. So I take it you were one of the jurors if you are so sure of what went on!!! Are you married to one of those incompetent corrupt police officers??? I don't know how anybody could have convicted those two men of murder unless there was a whole bunch of evidence that wasn't disclosed!!! This trial was a joke and so are you!!!

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  2. https://zmprofiler.wordpress.com/the-trouble-with-dna-evidence/

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  3. Also, there was vote trading in the jury deliberations which isn't right. Three stubborn "I KNOW he's GUILTY" people wore the others down. It happens. My wife was on a case where only two thought the drug dealer was guilty, everyone else was gonna let them go free, but the two took notes and got the jury to see things their way. I know Avery is a creep, and his family keeps Law Enforcement in the area "busy" by any objective standard. But I doubt he did it, and Brendan was just caught up in the mess.

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    1. No, there was no vote trading. The filmmakers were just fueling the fire on the Today show to keep the online debates, their Netflix dollars and popularity on fire and defending themselves against accusations of biased storytelling.
      http://onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/averyjurortalks.html

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    2. The story you link to does not justify your statement. It was a different juror. Also the "journalist" who wrote the story is well known to be in bed (literally) with law enforcement.

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  4. Brilliant blog post. THANK YOU, for saying everything I was thinking but didn't take the time or effort to write down. -from a former Manitowoc resident who lived there for more than 3 decades.

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    1. Did you get out because you thought you might be the next victim of the Manitowoc police department??? I never want to visit there it's like one of those towns you see in the movies!! You get stopped speeding and end up in jail for God only knows what!

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  5. Brilliant blog post. THANK YOU, for saying everything I was thinking but didn't take the time or effort to write down. -from a former Manitowoc resident who lived there for more than 3 decades.

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  6. The first question that keeps coming up for me is, where is all of the blood? She was suppose to have been stabbed, throat cut, and shot. All of that, and the only blood was on a bullet that showed up in the garage. I find it hard to believe they could have cleaned all other traces. Second question, One trial said she was killed in the bedroom, the other said it was in the garage. Not sure how you do that for the same murder. Granted the first jury didn't know that was going to happen but the second one had to have known. I know on a jury you have to consider all of the evidence presented at trial and that the documentary only showed parts. That being said, what I saw would have been enough for reasonable doubt for me.

    As for the author's declaration that "most of us are not in fact journalists, or attorneys, or judges, or even very smart, as a collective". Most people that serve on a jury are not journalists, or attorneys, or judges. Thanks for reminding us that we are only lowly teachers, actors, and temp workers, and as you put it, not qualified to make any sort of judgment call on this matter. Thank god this jury didn't have any of those types on it. We wouldn't want some commoner involved!

    BTW You were not being snarky, you were insulting.

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    1. Well said Unknown . The author to the blog clearly has an agenda for the government and certainly would have had that agenda with even less alleged evidence . It is funny how he huffs and puffs up the attorneys price tag when I recall the Government saying they spent over 1 million on the dream team of investigators and others they hired to MAKE the case.

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  7. Point by point rebuttal:

    -Mr. Avery’s sweat DNA was on the RAV 4’s hood and the car key, so who cares about the blood, the Sheriff's Department could not have planted the sweat:

    Sweat does not actually contain DNA. The forensic expert testified that it was trace evidence and thought it may have been sweat (which actually means skin cells because there is NO DNA in sweat). There is testimony stating that the lab tech who processed Avery's car went directly from there to the Rav4's hood without changing gloves.

    -Nothing is made of the fact that Ms. Halbach’s blood was on that bullet...

    The bullet comes up extensively in the doc. It was somehow missed over the course of 4 months of searches. The forensic tech testifies that no blood was visible on the bullet. The DNA profile of the material that was extracted does appear to match Teresa's, however, the negative control is tainted, meaning that proper sterile procedure was not followed. This could easily mean that another item at the tech's workbench that contained Teresa's DNA (possibly anything from the RAV4) contaminated the extraction sample. Can't ever know for sure, because oops, it's all gone, now.
    OR
    The police found a bullet on a property that an officer testified was littered with shell casings. Possibly Det Sgt Lenk searched around for said bullet, found it, then held on to it for 4 months. That's a long time to access the clearly poorly secured evidence room and rub a little bit of anything from the RAV4 onto the bullet. Then, when Lenk is again allowed to stumble back onto the scene of a crime that his department has supposedly recused itself from, he drops it on the floor where it is found the NEXT DAY.

    - There were three phone calls made by Mr. Avery to Ms. Halbach on October 31...
    It's not illegal to call someone 3 times when you have an appointment with them. Two of the calls that allegedly came from Avery (The *67 calls) were made after Teresa was supposed to have arrived. I'd call if the person I was supposed to be meeting didn't show up, too.

    -Ms. Halbach had asked her boss to never send her back to the Avery compound
    Being creeped out by a guy does not mean he will kill you. If she thought that, she probably wound't have gone there. Honestly, Steven creeps me out, but past transgressions and heebie jeebies are not enough to convict someone of murder



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  8. -Mr. Dassey told the investigators about Mr. Avery disconnecting the car battery...
    The transcript speaks for itself here:
    Fassbender: That's not what I'm thinkin' he did something to that car. He took the plates and I believe he did something else in that car (pause)
    Brendan: I don't know
    Fassbender: Ok, did he, did he go the car and look at the engine? Did he raise the hood or anything like that? To do something to the car?
    Brendan: Yeah
    There is no mention of disconnecting the car battery in that transcript. The hood raising "confession" is clearly just as spoon fed as the gunshot (http://convolutedbrian.com.s3.amazonaws.com/dassey/01Mar2006/01Mar2006Transcript.pdf)

    - Mr. Dassey's mother stated that her son helped Mr. Avery clean up his garage around October 31, 2005
    Only actual evidence for this are some bleach stained pants. I have bleach stained pants, and I haven't killed anyone. Also, if bleach were used to clean up the garage, how did only Teresa's blood/DNA get removed? There was still a ton of deer blood and Steven's DNA all over the floor.

    -We did not hear from any expert on car crushers
    OK, but the better question is how was Steven so inconsistent with his scrubbing of the crime scene? He managed to so thoroughly scrub the garage, or the bedroom or wherever the prosecution actually thinks Teresa was killed that the only speck of (possibly) her DNA left was on a bullet that was hidden in fairly plain site under an air compressor, but yet took 4 months to be found. It was that incredibly well cleaned, and yet still looked as if a large pile of junk had been placed in the middle of the room and a bomb had gone off, scattering it. Impressive. After doing all that, he forgets to move the bones more than 15 feet away from his front door. Much less even take a shot at cleaning the massive amounts of both his and Teresa's blood that he apparently just left sitting in the RAV4 that he parked around the corner. The same RAV4 that he apparently had to throw her body into in order to move her the 15 feet from the garage/bedroom to the fire pit.

    - You don’t know about how Dassey was roughed up...
    Yes, the fact that the police beat up the mentally disabled kid and he clammed up totally makes me think he's at fault and the cops are to be trusted...

    - When he called Auto Trader, Mr. Avery requested Ms. Halbach by name
    Again, if true, this doesn't mean he killed her. He may have even liked her and wanted to look at her because he's a fairly simple, human man. If you actually read the transcripts, he asks that they just send out the person they sent last time...probably not a ton of photographers to choose from in bumbletonburg, WI

    -Is there mention of Avery’s drawings of a torture chamber...
    This is mentioned a few times during the doc. Again, not sure how this is evidence that means he should be convicted of murder. Should anyone who draws a violent picture be accused of murder?

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  9. -Mr. Avery was barred from seeing his fiancé for 72 hours...
    Again, yes, Mr. Avery =/= citizen of the month. However, this neither supports nor refutes the idea that he was involved in an actual homicide. Just means he's probably not a good guy. My own father was abusive, but he never killed anyone.

    -There were three (3!) alleged rapes...
    OK, so crimes happened in a place during a time period...I bet that's true of a lot of places where there are humans.

    -And, oh, did you noticed how the filmmakers distorted his past criminal transgressions?..
    It's made very clear that Steven did a lot of repugnant things in his past. However, he actually admitted to every crime he was accused of prior to 1985, and did the time, also offering apologies. He did NOT admit to the rape in 1985. Turns out he didn't do it. He did NOT admit to the 2005 murder of Teresa. Turns out....oh, wait. Again, his past acts do make for a fairly unsavory profile of Steven Avery, they are not actually evidence that he killed Teresa. They are evidence that he is not a good person. There are tons of bad people in this world. Not all of them are murderers, and not all of them killed Teresa Halbach.

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  10. -Mr. Avery was barred from seeing his fiancé for 72 hours...
    Again, yes, Mr. Avery =/= citizen of the month. However, this neither supports nor refutes the idea that he was involved in an actual homicide. Just means he's probably not a good guy. My own father was abusive, but he never killed anyone.

    -There were three (3!) alleged rapes...
    OK, so crimes happened in a place during a time period...I bet that's true of a lot of places where there are humans.

    -And, oh, did you noticed how the filmmakers distorted his past criminal transgressions?..
    It's made very clear that Steven did a lot of repugnant things in his past. However, he actually admitted to every crime he was accused of prior to 1985, and did the time, also offering apologies. He did NOT admit to the rape in 1985. Turns out he didn't do it. He did NOT admit to the 2005 murder of Teresa. Turns out....oh, wait. Again, his past acts do make for a fairly unsavory profile of Steven Avery, they are not actually evidence that he killed Teresa. They are evidence that he is not a good person. There are tons of bad people in this world. Not all of them are murderers, and not all of them killed Teresa Halbach.

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  11. As an attorney, please explain to me how telling the internet that the judge just recently told you that the cops roughed up Brendan Dassey helps this situation??????

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  14. I I am happy I lived in a small town or rural community, especially as an outsider. God help you if you are the supposed last person to see someone who was murdered.Too many holes in the evidence and eye witness testimony to convict Mr. Avery of this crime.Even if he did it. And the investigators leading a slow kid down the path to a confession not backed up by any evidence is criminal. Federal courts would have easily overturned his conviction.

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  15. I meant to say I am happy to never have lived in a small rural community if this is what happens to you.

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  16. So the judge in the Dassey case was aware of police roughing up the defendant? Wouldn't he have an obligation to report this? If he didn't, wouldn't you have the obligation as a member of the Bar?

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  18. nice blog you guys. now i'll add my two cents worth. the movie makers,in my opinion, were backed by the innocence project and who knows who else. this is all my opinion mind you - here it is. i think they should be made to hand over any money made on their little "project" to the family members of the only victim in the case, theresa halbach. while they may not have lied directly, their choice to twist and turn and exclude the truth is alarming and it is harmful. Netflix was wrong to air such a one-sided work of fiction without properly labeling it as such. the key? it was hidden behind the bookcase. the confession? he wasn't stressed about anything except the memory of what his sexually deviant uncle forced him to endure. the screams for help. the smell of burning flesh. those are the reasons the young man was stressed but the police officers did an excellent job in questioning him. the killer? he is right where he belongs. now let's look a little more closely at the movie makers. one of them worked on two different sets doing the electrical? wow, there's a resume'. the other one claims she practiced law for four years before working on the movie. they met in 2005 and according to their claim they spent 10 years working on the movie then that means they started working on it two years before he was even convicted and four years before the lawyer passed the bar. Also of interest is that the innocence project lawyer and the movie maker lawyer went to the same law school and both passed the bar within two years of each other. the juror they claim contacted them? i think they are lying. any two women who don't mind creating a movie without caring who they hurt along the way or whose careers they try to tumble in the process in my opinion are not honest. they have lost all credibility and i hope netflix cancels their show and any possibility of any future shows. just my opinion. :-}

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  19. nice blog you guys. now i'll add my two cents worth. the movie makers,in my opinion, were backed by the innocence project and who knows who else. this is all my opinion mind you - here it is. i think they should be made to hand over any money made on their little "project" to the family members of the only victim in the case, theresa halbach. while they may not have lied directly, their choice to twist and turn and exclude the truth is alarming and it is harmful. Netflix was wrong to air such a one-sided work of fiction without properly labeling it as such. the key? it was hidden behind the bookcase. the confession? he wasn't stressed about anything except the memory of what his sexually deviant uncle forced him to endure. the screams for help. the smell of burning flesh. those are the reasons the young man was stressed but the police officers did an excellent job in questioning him. the killer? he is right where he belongs. now let's look a little more closely at the movie makers. one of them worked on two different sets doing the electrical? wow, there's a resume'. the other one claims she practiced law for four years before working on the movie. they met in 2005 and according to their claim they spent 10 years working on the movie then that means they started working on it two years before he was even convicted and four years before the lawyer passed the bar. Also of interest is that the innocence project lawyer and the movie maker lawyer went to the same law school and both passed the bar within two years of each other. the juror they claim contacted them? i think they are lying. any two women who don't mind creating a movie without caring who they hurt along the way or whose careers they try to tumble in the process in my opinion are not honest. they have lost all credibility and i hope netflix cancels their show and any possibility of any future shows. just my opinion. :-}

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  23. Hello all, for a variety of reasons, I have chosen not to engage with comments on this particular post. I would, however, like it to be known that I have not deleted a single comment. They are deleted by the author of the comment, not the author of the post. Please feel free to talk among yourselves, no censorship here. Cheers.

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  24. I just want to know where Eric saw Chuck Klosterman commenting on this. I haven't seen any of his editorials in a while and wondering where I can find them. That being said, miss you guys, and Eric is spot on with his assessment.

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